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Anyone who expects the bourgeoisie to platform those whose politics are a threat to capitalist interests is a fool.
it’s funny because even Elon’s ego is a threat to capitalist interests, look how much he’s tanked their company value! Honestly I’m cheering for his self-destructive downward spiral to continue - tw*tter was always a cesspool, decent people should have left years ago.
Any day a venture capitalist fails spectacularly at screwing people over is a good day.
Censorship for thee, not for me.
I hate this little thought terminating cliche. It’s trying to make everything into hypocrisy which it isn’t. Say he banned everyone who ever said anything pro Israel…you can fairly apply that rule across all people, and have disparate impacts.
The problem isn’t that he’s censoring others but not himself, it’s that the rule itself is bad on its face.
This is hypocrisy. He called himself a “free speech absolutist” after he bought Twitter. He called it the “digital town square.” Ever since then, he’s banned anyone who says things he doesn’t like and keeps the Nazis. He’s absolutely a hypocrite and he should be called out on it.
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Man calls himself as a free speech absolutist
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Same man buys social media platform
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Same man then mass bans people and removes comments when he doesn’t like their political leaning or they criticise him/his companies too much
How is that not hypocrisy?
If that is what they said, it would be hypocrisy. The cliche is “X for thee and not for me” so the claimed hypocrisy is that he is censoring others and not himself for saying the same things. That isn’t the issue, as you point out the issue is that he is censoring when he said he wouldn’t.
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No official, public explanation. We know why…
They’ll claim it was an accident or outage, but those accounts weren’t struck at random.
Internally, is someone curating a list of prominent accounts by political leaning? Are those accounts the target or right wing report bombing? I want to know exactly how those accounts were landed on.
Sounds just like old Twitter. Ban someone who you don’t like politically. If it’s causing to much uproar, day it was an accident/glitch. If it works, repeat. If not, repeat in a few weeks.
For example? Can you actually name 3 accounts this happened to?
I don’t like that, “leftist”, has become a word used outside conservative circles. It sounds shitty and is as meaningless as, “rightist”.
From a casual outside (the US) observer it just seems like it’s the price that gets paid in a two party state where there are apparently no centrists. Americans give me the impression that it’s either team Red or team Blue. Does anybody ever say: “I like a bit of this… but I also like a bit of that.”?
Yes, there are some who say that. They get agreed with in person, ignored at the local party/voting level, scoffed at by media, screamed at in general on the internet, and scolded on places like lemmy or reddit (if not screamed at). There are policies that I like that for some reason have to be lumped in with policies I detest no matter which party I look at. One party (fucking GOP) is way worse than the other, but try to have a rational discussion with anonymous or outside-of-your-social-circle people, and any criticisms of a party are like blaspheming their god.
try to have a rational discussion with anonymous or outside-of-your-social-circle people, and any criticisms of a party are like blaspheming their god.
That’s because of the nature of anonymous communication. It is literally pointless to try to convince individual people online. They rarely tell you their underlying motivations, and many times reveal that they know nothing about the subject.
Yeah. Succinctly put. I hope things improve, or at least change, at some stage; but as I said in another reply I don’t think the short term prognosis looks too healthy. Best of luck to you.
Also doesn’t help that the USA political spectrum consists of “right” and “far right” so while they may call it “left” it’s only left compared to the far right.
Good point. The idea that Bernie Sanders (?) is seen as ultra left wing is incredible to me. Americans would probably spontaneously combust if they got to read some of the left of centre manifestos from relatively normal European parties.
There are plenty of us. The problem is the two party state. Any independent or centrist candidate is going to get drowned out.
For as long as people like you exist there’s some hope… but I do fear ‘24 won’t be a year of political reconciliation. Perhaps things must get even worse before they improve? Good luck whatever happens.
No, the RiNOs were intentionally and specifically hunted to extinction through shame and exclusion. That’s why the name, “Republican in Name Only,” is applied those who don’t embrace the party’s wildest platforms.
Does that mean Log Cabin Republicans are RiNOs? Or just idiots?
Damn. I knew about elephants and donkeys but now I’ve got to read up on rhinos… all jokes aside it looks like polarisation is the problem - which is the two party problem. It must be so frustrating to have views you can’t sensibly talk about objectively with the majority of your peers.
It is wildly annoying. If you want to get the details, check out the book “What’s the matter with Kansas” for a quick history.
Thanks, my friend. I shall take a look at that.
I think the cops are useless at best and evil at worst and im pro gun/pro CC, I find that our model of capitalism has failed but I’d rather we revert to the political economic ideas of Henry George rather than Karl Marx. Not that either is possible without violent overhaul most likely. Even just a reframing of capitalism to correct for John Adams era economic fallacies would face nigh impossible resistance from those who have already taken most of the pie.
So yeah, we exist. It’s just that we tend to get crowded out due to not falling in line with either ideology. I’ve been called everything from RINO to fascist.
I understand someone’s economic views would necessarily push them to one side or the other but what I’ve never understood is why gun ownership is so political in the US. From where I am it just seems sad that there’s people in a first world democracy that “need” to be armed just to go out and buy an ice cream. It blows my mind that more isn’t done by all sides (political, manufacturing and citizens) to lower the body count. Any society where members of the public are indiscriminately gunning each other down surely has a big problem. I have zero problems with fire arms - just their application in the US seems a bit fucked. But, like you said about the police, if your biggest gun-toting gang are that trigger happy and indiscriminate then I can’t really blame everyone else packing as a result. Kind of a chicken and egg situation. Hope it works out for you all one day.
Would you call yourself an Enlightened Centrist?
No, Im not some “hurr durr both sides are equal” moron. Both sides do have issues, but they’re not equal. The left is on the correct side socially but they often have an incredibly naive view of how the world functions, often operating on “why can’t we all just get along and be rich together?” Levels of fantasy.
However, the US right is socially authoritarian and wants to oppress anyone who doesn’t fit a christo-fascist perspective, and their economic viewpoint is messed up due to conflation of where wages are derived from. So they fail both sides of the coin whereas progressives only fail on economics.
If I HAD to take one of two sides I’m going left, because I refuse to abide by people who hate those that are different, and I have a lot of gay and trans friends. However I don’t agree with the lemming philosophy of Auth-Left being the solution to our problems.
Sounds like Socialist Libertarianism.
Is it really “socialism” if I think the tax burden should fall on the land owners exclusively and the laborers should derive the larger portion of their labor value than the capitalist that simply made their work more efficient with their capital? Due to wages driving from labor value increasing capital?
We likely wouldn’t even need social safety nets if the capitalists weren’t taking the largest cut on the pretense that wages derive from capital, and the market wasn’t being driven by those with excess wealth.
They used to use liberal like it was something to be ashamed of. And I think they thought we were ashamed of it too. They finally figured out we don’t have a problem with calling ourselves liberal, so they came up with a new word.
Leftist is an appropriate description. What word do you prefer?
What a coincidence. People critical of israel got banned
The account @Zei_Squirrel, which had 200,000 followers, explained in a Substack post that it was suspended over criticisms of Israel and Bill Ackman but was also not provided with an explanation from X. “If they don’t unban me, it will prove beyond all doubt that Twitter and Elon Musk are just explicitly doing the bidding of the genocidal Israeli regime and its deranged supporters like Bill Ackman.” The post continues, “There is no possibility that anything I have posted rises to the level of being ban-worthy, but nothing that Zionists posts constantly, explicit calls for genocide and mass killing of Palestinians, isn’t.”
Can people see now that when people clamour for controls on things like hate speech and disinformation, the question of “who defines what is/is not disinformation” isn’t just sea-lioning?
It’s a fundamentally critical argument against such controls. Sooner or later, people you agree with will be at the receiving end of them.
I mean… Many anti Israel folks are borderline abusive. Denying rapes happened, trying to call Hamas freedom fighters, praising the Oct 7th attack etc. This is the exact shit (and worse) platforms have been demonetizing or removing people for except this time it’s the “other side” doing it.
This is a journalist, not some guy who argues with random people.
What are you even talking about? There is** zero evidence** for any rapes that is a straight up IDF Zionist story. Most of the rape “testimonies” have been completely debunked and proven to be falsified. Here is an article completely debunking it
I don’t understand how you are so confidently repeated straight up conspiracy theories as if they are cold hard undeniable facts.
The fact that you think it’s okay to ban people for people to questioning an extremely shoddy story full of inconsistencies and many straight up lies is very weird to me.
Weird that I haven’t seen any of that on lemmy
Oh look, a propaganda mouthpiece
If people would just use Mastodon instead of Xwitter this sort of thing would not happen.
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If people would just use Mastodon instead of Xwitter this sort of thing would not happen.
Is that what we really want? The moronic masses flooding Mastodon?
We want ALL people using Mastodon, and not Xwitter.
But most people suck
No human being is perfect.
Yes it is, Mastodon isnt a single instance, its a many many instances. If you’re not happy with the moderating/quality on one, move to another instance.
Yes. Obviously, unquestionably, clearly, yes.
I think it’s fine as long as their’s no central corporate interest controlling the show. Which is a strength of FOSS, at least those projects with a robust and diverse community.
Night of the Long Bans.
I really do wish there was a viable popular alternative to Twitter. Phony Starks has been awful.
While it’s not 1 to 1, mastodon seems to always be getting mentioned with businesses abandoning Twitter and moving there. I use it but it’s just not the same experience
I’ve checked it out, but was never a twitter user anyways, so I’m not the right audience. I think the lack of an algorithm really hurts the experience for many users. Seems like you have to put work in to get your feed right. Also, the network effect Twitter has is strong. Mastodon is probably the least toxic social media I’ve seen though.
You say that like its a bad thing. Every twitter user Ive talked to wont shut up about how shit the twitter experience is.
He’s not Stark, he’s Justin Hammer. Always has been.
“I would like to point out that the social media network survived…” -Elon Hammer
Musk can do whatever he wants, keeping Twitter (sorry, X, yuck) alive with billions that are peanuts to him. This news isn’t a surprise to me. He talked big about free speech, but it was just talk.
Musk’s “free speech” is a lot like the Lost Cause’s “states rights”: a fig leaf that intentionally tries to distract from the fact that the only speech/right of concern was that of the most repugnant behavior.
You can call it Xitter.
Elon says preferred names and pronouns are dumb.
Thus I will only refer to twttr by twttr’s original name.
Pronounced “shitter”
Or Xitler.
I don’t understand why people don’t collectively quit Twitter and flock to Mastodon. It’s very simple, it’s better for everyone
Because for the previous 15ish years before Musky got a hold of it it was actually decently regarded. Many people turned to it for up to date news and trusted it. It was a place where brands could interact with customers, celebrities with fans, etc. It had built up trust. People are having a hard time letting that go.
Because they don’t care
Why are you booing me I’m right
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There’s an explanation, we’re just not allowed to say it because for some reason in “ThE lAnD oF tHe FrEe” we’re not allowed to say the thing because the faschie right’s feelings might get hurt.
time to follow them on mastodon I guess.
X it’s the new “Truth Social”
Elon bought it to make it the christofascist heaven on earth.
More like 𝕏 is our generations swastika
Are you sure? Here’s real modern swastika:
Although this is not current generation swastika, this is 1970-ies generation swastika.
The Russia today is the same Russia as yesterday and all days before that.
America, like Germany, will elect their new Fascist regime. Enabled by people like Musk, who makes a good modern stand in for Goebels.
History doesn’t repeat, but it sure does rhyme.
When I was young I literally couldn’t comprehend a world where someone like Hitler was elected… by a majority, in a democracy!! It boggled my mind… now, now I get it.
Dumb people gonna dumb
The platform whose CEO openly endorses antisemitic “Hitler was right” Tweets would censor left-wing views? What a shocker!
