I suspect that this is the direct result of AI generated content just overwhelming any real content.
I tried ddg, google, bing, quant, and none of them really help me find information I want these days.
Perplexity seems to work but I don’t like the idea of AI giving me “facts” since they are mostly based on other AI posts
ETA: someone suggested SearXNG and after using it a bit it seems to be much better compared to ddg and the rest.
You only tested Google and Bing.
Qwant and DDG both use the Bing architecture.
I agree though, search engines have become noticeably worse the last 2 years.
I’m pretty sure they discovered in the google monopoly case that google realized a couple years ago that a worse search experience would not negatively impact their bottom line. So makes sense
You know what I miss? Search engines that honored Boolean operators. I am often looking for niche results and being able to -, ! and NOT is incredibly useful. But that’s just not a thing anymore. I know part of it is that SEO includes antonym meta data that ruins this but it would still be helpful on occasion.
I’ve been using Mojeek lately and it looks like their advanced search can do some of that.
https://www.mojeek.com/advanced.html
Reminds me of early Google search.
I have it a test with some operators from the search bar instead of using the form and it did exactly what it was supposed to. I’ll keep this on hand. Thank you.
Kagi is great. It’s a paid service but you can try 100 searches for free.
You can use the Orion browser on iOS and set Kagi as the search engine.
The day i pay for search engines is the day i finally finish my 2020 new year’s resolution
Enjoy your war against ads then. I’m not against supporting content, I just wanted a better model than invasive ads.
So what about open source self hosted search engines? If it requires some hardware I’d gladly team up with a small group of people to finance a bigass server that just gets us our personal search engine
Any good ones out there?
There’s stuff like Searxng or whoogle, but these aren’t “real” search engines, merely “search aggregators” - they relay requests to a bunch of actual search engines, like bing or google, and aggregate the results. That’s why they don’t require tons of compute and scraping, and also why they often fail to work (since the search engines in question don’t like or allow this). I believe it’s not feasible to run a “real” search engine alone or even as a small group of people - according to this comment you need a powerful server with terabytes* of drive, hundreds of gigabytes of RAM and a lot of compute - and all of this will just let you crawl some top domains, nowhere near a good chunk of the internet.
*which sounds low actually, I would have expected more for this
Searxng, but there are plenty of instances already
Perplexica is interesting too, but it uses a moderate amount of ram because of elastic search.
And of course you need to have ollama running
Very cool
It’s intentional.
Obviously, Google makes money showing ads during search. But they have finally bit the bullet and starting tarpitting users in search in order to show more ads.
A quick, useful, and accurate search means that you’re on their site for the least amount of time, perhaps mere seconds. That’s not what’s best for revenue growth.
PS: Go try Kagi and be reminded what good clean search results look like. I use it because my time has value. It’s very good.
It becomes more and more true every day.
Jesus, the “plandemic” explanation for why the Internet is dying. The Internet IS clearly dying, but this is stupid. Even if we got rid of all the bots and AI, the Internet would still be dying, because open protocols are not as exploitable as walled gardens. The value of capital in the world overwhelms the value of human labour and human interest, and all our social structures conform to the needs of capital over time.
It doesn’t really, it’s just that human activity on the internet is more and more taking place on platforms without any search indexing. 20 years ago, internet forum are where you’d go for advice online. Nowadays, it’s more and more becoming discord servers and similar, which just aren’t indexed by internet search.
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it really doesn’t.
There are no search engines besides Google and Bing, because everyone else just uses Bing under the hood.
Kagi is working very well for me! and honestly i like that it’s a paid service.
Another vote for Kagi here as well… except for searching for local businesses near where I live, I revert to Google for that, but I Google through Kagi so privacy is somewhat protected
I know there’s some controversy but its spoiled me now, it just works
Thank you. I needed this. The “free” search engines have tainted my experience of this world. Frankly, I hate it here. I’m ready for the inevitable “Apocalypse”/" Alien invasion" that stops the absolute incompetence that permeates our society. Whether you understand it or not, I beseach upon you my blessings, may your days provide success in your endeavores, and bountiful returns to your entire home. Bless you for sharing.
Search engines make you yearn for the destruction of the human race…?
When you have no other problems, the question of search engines is the biggest issues in your life
And naturally, the solution to your biggest issue is always to destroy everything and everybody. ^^’
Whats funny and kind of sad, is that they know exactly what you’re searching for, and don’t give any fucks about showing you that, and instead will show you this cool other thing that they’re getting their beak wet on thats like, eh… kinda related to what you typed in. Google didn’t get dumber, they just don’t have any meaningful competition which would force them to deliver high quality results, and instead of enshittified their results to the point where they’re practically useless.
It’s not you. Google has been getting worse.
https://www.404media.co/google-search-really-has-gotten-worse-researchers-find/
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/google-search-is-losing-the-fight-with-seo-spam-study-says/
Lately I google for someone that should give me a direct, exact result. First five links are fucking paid ads.
Infinitely worse. I barely use search engines for issues these days and no longer recommend that people “Google” things.
What do you do instead?
Besides be sad and hit my head against a wall? Depending on the query, I’ll sometimes use ChatGPT or find an associated Discord, subreddit or somewhere and hope for the best.
I’m disappointed a lot.
I bang my head against search engines. Normally I can find something decent after multiple searches, but it never used to be this way.
It’s not just you. At some point, search’s primary purpose went from “finding the information you’re looking for” to “getting paid to put links in front of you”. Then they kept iterating on it, quarter by quarter, for a very long time.
Kagi is pretty awesome
It’s not just you. Search got worse, and it did so intentionally.
Ed Zitron lays it all out really well, with all the receipts, but the basic version is this; Google has an incentive to make you search more for the same things, because then they can show you more ads. And google is, first and foremost, an ad delivery company. Every “product” they own is an ad delivery vehicle. It’s not just AI slop that made search based; Google made search bad, and everyone else followed suit, to a greater or lesser degree.
The whole internet is in the process of being filled with garbage content. Search engines are bad but also there’s not much good content left to find (in % of the total)
The Internet is dead ™
