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Mixtral GPTQ can run on a 3090

Mistral 7b can run on most modern gpus

That’s ( fixed, messed up mah conversion) .1wh for a second of 3090 time/ 30 images a second.

If a 3090 drew 3 watt hours in 1/30th of a second it would melt.

Possibly off by one order of magnitude though… Editing post to see, and it looks like I was. 300 images per charge instead of 3000.

This is outdated in a big way with stable diffusion turbo and the recent LCM models that can render images at 30fps on a 3090.

360w * 1s /60 seconds a minute / 60 minutes an hour = .1 wh/image

30 images a second? .033 wh

A phone battery is 3000 mah * 3.5volts = 10.5 wh

318 images per phone charge

My math is probably off, but you get the idea.

But the site I linked to above is selling this service and it’s telling me I can use the images in any way I want

Then the site is wrong to tell you that you can use the images in any way you want.

Or you are wrong for assuming you can intentionally violate copyright and trademark by using the AI tool to generate Micky mouse and then get all offended that “but the site told me I can use the pictures, it’s their fault”.

what happens when the output is extremely similar to a character I’ve never

Nobody knows yet. For the most part it hasn’t happened. Big services like DallE will assume all legal liability for you. Small services? It’s on you to make sure the image is clean.

The end result is that the copyright of everything not widely recognizable is practically meaningless if we accept this practice

You seem to have forgotten a small detail here.

This is already how it works. Every character has thousands and thousands of fan works, often supported by artists with donations and patreons. The status quo is that none of them get caught and sued until they get big enough, and that anyone who tries to sue these people are assholes abusing copyright law even they’re legally correct.

This is not a magical device that can “draw anything”,

Straw man?

Reading comprehension. This is an argument-by-comparion. It shows how your point is absurd and doesn’t work by comparing it against a magical machine that doesn’t yet exist. It shows how your idea of how copyright should work here is regressive, harmful, and dangerous by pointing out that you seem to believe that just because something could violate copyright that it should be prevented from existing, being used, or being sold.

This is a mundane device whose sole function is to try to copy patterns from its input set

You don’t own a copyright on a pattern or a brushstroke. You own copyright on works of art.

If you want to prove me wrong, make your own model without a single image of Micky Mouse or a tag with his name, then try to get it to draw him like I did before

Are you suggesting it will be impossible to do this? Because this will be quickly proven wrong and there will be a day and a description specific enough to produce Micky mouse from a machine that’s never seen it.

The mere fact that it will happen one day is enough. I don’t have to literally go invent it today.

There are many ways this could be done ethically

It’s already being done ethically.

Would it be transformative if I sold you a database of base64 encoded images? What about if they were encrypted

No.

Also no.

There is a long history of examples set by court cases on what does or doesn’t count as transformative. Law is very good at handling exceptions like this and it’s been handling them for decades.

An encoding is not transformative. It’s just the same information sent a different way. Same with encryption.

Hell, you can hire me to paint based on prompts you give me. That’s the exact same service an AI provides, no? I’m going to study copyrighted materials to get better at my service.

All perfectly legal and commonly done.

So you give me the prompt “Mickey Mouse” and I draw this. This is “custom art”. You think you can use that commercially?

No. Not for you and not with AI generated art either.

Copyright controls your ability to copy and distribute creative works. You can learn to draw Micky mouse, you can even draw Micky mouse, but anyone who tries to sell or distribute that copy can and probably will quickly get sued for it.

And if you realize that you can’t, why do you think I should be able to legally sell you this service?

If AI companies were predominantly advertising themselves as “we make your pictures of Micky mouse” you’d have a valid point.

But at this point you’re basically arguing that it should be impossible to sell a magical machine that can draw anything you ask from it because it could be asked to draw copyright images.

Courts will see that argument, realize it’s absurd, and shut it down.

Seems like a petty technicality to me.

They are selling access to the AI model which draws pictures. Not the original pictures, nor clones of those pictures. A machine to which you can input a prompt that is basically anything and get custom art back as a result.

Also there are companies like stability AI which is providing direct access to the model itself, and I’m sure you’re against them as well.

An AI trained on a single image would also probably be fine if it was somehow a generalist AI that didn’t overfit on that single image. The quantity really doesn’t matter.

The product is a service that writes code or draws pictures. It is literally the exact same as the input

Pictures and things that draw pictures aren’t the same thing.

The fact it’s a tool that makes art and completes with you has nothing to do with copyright. That would only apply if this was some convoluted scheme to make actual copies of works, which it isn’t. People just pirate for that. If I wanted to read this person’s books I’d go to pirate Bay, not chat GPT.

It’s not illegal for someone to read your books and start writing similar things. That’s not copyright theft, that’s a genre.

The internet where people make information free and for the benefits of the common good died a long time ago.

It’s very much alive and kicking.

All of the “silos” literally depend on it continuing to happen and exist only by nature of the fact that they’re still open and easily browsed by individuals. If Reddit turns off access to the average person, Reddit eventually disappears.

Notably, you can still get to Twitter though nitter.

You can still get to Reddit through various open source front ends.

You can still get to YouTube through newpipe.

You may not remember this, but there have been many attempts to silo the Internet. It always falls as the company that does so stagnates and users eventually abandon ship.

The few companies with the hundreds of millions of fuck-you money to train an AI will gain more control while also locking down access to their content.

And you want to give them the monetary incentive and make this future literally inevitable by locking data out of the hands of anyone who can’t pay.

this will be the end of the open internet. Expect login walls and subscriptions everywhere.

Rising interest rates are doing that, not AI.

The open Internet is based on a fundamental principal that people like you forget over and over.

Information should be free and plentiful, and making it free and plentiful benefits the common person. Data and scraping are essential parts of that common good.

The Internet will survive. The one you think exists - where you get to mooch and demand payment - never existed.

A basic fundamental of copyright law and fair use is if the result is transformative. People literally do stuff like make collages with copyright works and it’s fine in many cases.

Turning pictures into an AI model (and that’s being really generous in my phrasing as if the pictures have anything to do with the math) is just about one of the most transformative things you can do with a picture.

This is like copyright 101 and if you’re shocked you don’t understand what you’re talking about in regards to copyright.

Open AI has been a farce ever since they disabled access to GPT3 for the sake of security.

SteamOS on Deck is only so stable because everyone has the exact same hardware,

For the most part windows does it fine too.

And even then there have been problems with SteamOS on Deck big enough that it made some have to re-image the OS entirely

You’re going to see some issues when something ships hundreds of thousands of products, but the difference is when someone has a problem with the steam deck it’s going to generally be an exception.

When someone has a problem with your custom Linux build? That’s generally the rule.

I use Lenox all the time, so I can say this pretty confidently. A few weeks ago I tried to disable ipv6 on Ubuntu. After doing that the Wi-Fi program crashed every time I tried to make a connection and I had to go into the files and delete all of the configs.

You’re not into just basic stuff like that all the time with any Linux build or stuff just breaks. Something like the steam deck that is so tightly controlled and managed by a third party company that is going to be way more rare in the system is going to be way more reliable.

The OS being bug-free on valves hardware absolutely does not mean it will be on whatever you’re chucking beneath your TV.

Not necessarily, but it’s going to be a lot more likely to with the reduced scope and the fact that you have valve, able to do real testing and validation and give you supported hardware.

And, you’re still wrong, what you said, is that SteamOS is “more powerful”. It’s not, it’s objectively less capable than most linux distros

At that point you’re just nitpicking and confusing what exactly I meant by power.

When I said more powerful, I refer to the fact that the steamos is built from the ground up to be nothing but a controller based interface with absolutely no dependency on mouse or keyboard.

More powerful in the context of being an under the TV set box, and in the fact that it’s a digital built from the ground up, supported by an actual company, it’s far more useful and capable as an under the TV set box than any other Linux alternative.

If you’re defining power as the ability to open up a shell and do whatever the heck you want, you’re describing a trait that is entirely and fully negative when it comes to having a computer under your TV. You can’t say a big buff guy is a powerful swimmer because he can lift weights.

Except SteamOS is also just “a linux box running steam”

You can basically count on this as a rule, whenever you’re saying something reductive like this, You are probably missing something really critical.

In this case that critical thing you’re missing is ease of use and support.

I’m not putting a Linux distro under my couch because I know that almost as a fact that computer will break in some strange way, and I will have to dig that stupid thing out from under my TV, plug it into some stupid monitor keyboard and mouse, and fix it by following a guide on Google, reinstall the operating system to whatever the hot flavor of the month that actually has developer support is, that sort of thing.

But I would happily install steam OS, because I know I would drop steam OS on that box and it would just work for however long valve has a successful hardware line, which at this point I think is going to be a decade given the success of the steam deck.

The lack of flexibility is power when it comes to use as a console. “You can do the same” isn’t true when the desire is to have a no bullshit “just works” experience with minimal setup.

In fact doing some things on the deck is more tricky because it’s limited to installing flatpaks.

That’s the advantage. A PC with a layer on top is a PC with a layer on top. It still wants you to have a mouse and keyboard. You still have to update it like a normal desktop PC.

Steam OS is controller and controller only. It’s a no bullshit durable system designed to be put on a box and just leave it that way.

You can do the same things, but I’m not putting a norma lLinux box running steam under my TV.

Yes

Steam OS is a lot more powerful than big picture

Because I browse the root website and don’t pay any attention to the sub communities. Are you wanting to speak exclusively to like minded individuals who never criticize or oppose your thoughts?