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we’ve got monitor edge barriers! the feature i missed most from windows is here i’m so pleased!

i doubt it, i don’t see why an icon pack would have a systemd service. probably something to do with moonlight [nvidia]

still, thank you for introducing me to a new* icon pack

I have to say I like this one

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kde can still look like that too:

i really hope oxygen does get ported to plasma 6, and not dropped like the air theme has been

i must say though, as much as i prefer the look of light themes usually, i think dark themes are objectively^[1] better unless you’re in bright sunlight: images and video aren’t affected by themes, so dark themes put the focus on the media, whereas light themes can wash them out

in about:config, try removing the pertinent domains from extensions.webextensions.restrictedDomains

i’ve never done this though, so caveat executor

Aye so bottom line, we’re stuck with what exists until new formats are forced upon everybody… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

yeah… :(

Raw isn’t a format, it’s supposed to just be unaltered stream from the imager, so every camera model is unique in that regard. But DNG is a way to describe that data so it’s more readable to programs unfamiliar with the specific model. And well, some makers prefer to use their own proprietary models.

ah fair enough, i didn’t know that

Actually AAC is mostly Apple’s format and support for it is pretty great. I’m not super familiar with the details but it sounds like a similar situation as with webp.

is it? i didn’t think any android players supported it apart from specifically apple music? and i’m pretty sure ms’ groove music couldn’t play them^?

It’s not. The web site you’re uploading to has to support it to allow you the upload in the first place, and to process it to make previews or lower-res versions for the web pages or apps.

alright yeah i guess. to be honest i was more talking about using images i’ve made on my own site, or publishers using an image format on their own websites. as for uploading to other sites it’s a complete mess: even tumblr doesn’t allow uploading webp, but it then automatically converts to webp which makes a horrible blurry mess

Do believe me, recently I’ve started converting those I want to keep to mp4 and I’m saving gigabytes.

i wasn’t being sarcastic! i do believe you. and yeah, i’d do the same

It’s not all that well supported in lots of those cases I mention. And where it did get, it only got because Apple has actually billions of devices out there and has the power to make the format default among them with one worldwide update. Yet it still has to convert to jpg when sharing elsewhere by default. That’s how huge the resistance is.

sorry, i was talking about jxl here. i agree heif hasn’t got anywhere; but that is, again, mostly due to licencing issues (unsurprisingly, given it’s apple)

I’m not advocating for these formats specifically (definitely not jpeg2000 haha), but I’m saying licences and royalties aren’t that super important when it comes to how supported something becomes.

Hell look at Apple… Everything is proprietary.

yeah exactly - none of apple’s formats are supported outside of apple devices (and i guess itunes for windows)

Or when it comes to formats, mp3 is still the most widely supported audio format (non-free), and DivX has been the most widely supported video format for much longer than anything else… Also non-free.

that’s a fair point, and i can’t really explain that - i can only assume it’s big for the same reason as gif: it was good enough at the time, and got standardised by cds

Haha hardware camera makers are the slowest dinosaurs when it comes to technology. Took them fucking ages for some to support DNG raw format, and before h264 was already getting grey, most would record videos only in mjpeg.

really? now admittedly i don’t know much about cameras, but i’ve had a couple of filmmaker friends and i was under the impression raw was universally supported

But it’s more about phone cameras anyway. And well with those we’ll only have webp and heif at most, so I guess we have to deal with that anyway.

i’m not sure about that - even google camera doesn’t support webp (i mean, it’s called “web picture”, i think they see it as a web format primarily). i think phone cameras will continue to be solely jpg for a long time

Maybe if Mozilla had not abandoned their FF OS, maybe that would’ve been a camera supporting jpegxl now.

that’d be nice. i do wish mozilla wasn’t so catastrophically mismanaged all around

That’s not how people use images. For an image format to be viable, you need your camera to support it, your gallery app/program to support it, the web sites you upload it to, the messaging platforms you share it through.

yes. i agree. but that’s my exact point. if i make an image then upload it to the internet - the only software that’s involved is on my side (gimp, ps, whatever^[1]) and the browser of the person viewing it. if it was supported in chromium, that’s automatically available in chrome, edge, vivaldi, brave, discord, element, spotify, whatever other chromium-embedded or electron apps you care to name. given the (unfortunate) prominence of electron-based programmes nowadays; that’s good enough for anyone who isn’t a professional, and they’re already fine. fuck it, it has the joint photographic experts group behind it - they’re quite a big name in photography

Oh you’d be surprised… Gaming videos on Steam, screen recordings, porn clips by amateurs, or just random clips, the amount of low-res gifs with 10s of MB in size is crazy.

meh, i haven’t seen any in the past ~5 years apart from ones specifically chosen for that 256 colour æsthetic; but i will believe you

Sure, it’s shitty of Google to drop the support, but from experience I’m still unfortunately 100% sure it wouldn’t have gotten anywhere.

Heck, Apple has been using HEIF for years and that’s a trillion dollar company with a huge market share, and you still get shitton of places where you can’t use it.

it did get places. it has got places. again, it’s very new and is already well supported

jpeg2k failed because of licencing and royalty issues^[2]. heif hasn’t spread because of licencing and royalty issues. ^{in my personal opinion, webp has licencing issues.} png didn’t. jpeg (sort of) didn’t. jxl doesn’t.

but anyways, this isn’t a pro-jxl comment; it’s an anti-webp comment. i used jxl as an example of why webp, and its adoption, is making the web worse even though it’s better than png from a technical standpoint

Sorry, 5 graphics programs isn’t “support”. You need support from the millon mobile apps, web sites and image and web libraries. A format that you can only use by yourself or with a handful professionals is useless in practice.

i gave those because they’re the most pertinent programmes for people dealing with creating & editing images. there are mobile (or at least android) libraries; and web is the issue i’m talking about - it’s hampered by chromium. there are more here if you’re interested.

and i’d say that’s not bad for a format that’s only a few years old

Ed: look at the list of formats supported by XnView

i don’t know what this is supposed to mean. xnview supports jxl

There’s been hundreds of new image formats in the last ~20 years, and none has gotten anywhere.

because png is good. i’m not defending gif or jpeg, they suck. but png is simple, fast to decode, and open by design. there have been better formats, but not paradigm shiftingly better. it may not be the best as an image format, but it is good

Even PNG needed a decade for some things to support it properly, and that one really had a brand new massive use case.

yeah that’s my point, jxl has been adopted faster than png or webp (it was only officially standardised in 2022!)

People use gif to make videos for crying out loud, and bitch about webp all the time, that’s how massive the pushback against new formats is.

i really don’t think many people use gif. most people use gifv or similar (usually webm) without realising it. apart from its very specific use case, gif sucks; so most software automatically converts to something else

Do you really think jpegxl would get anywhere by itself? No, it would be the same as with jpeg2000 and tons of other formats - first supported by a handful of programs, but not used by anyone else and then forgotten.

jpeg2k had major issues other than a lack of support - jxl has deliberately avoided those pitfalls

jpegxl actually has pretty good support - affinity, photoshop, gimp, krita, etc. all support it fine

it’s only chrome/electron that’s holding it back (even firefox supported it until chrome dropped support). i don’t think it’s lazyness

i have no love for gif (hence i use apng), but all the other alternatives are either videos so show controls by default, not widely supported, or webp. i realise webp is objectively the better format for most things, but i still argue it’s existence is a net negative effect

webp may be open (although actually i’d argue it isn’t, the licences for the decoder and the format itself are both very woolly), but as it’s actively contributing to enshittification by holding back truly open formats i’d say that doesn’t really matter

now whilst i know why people like webp, maybe we could stop using formats owned by google…

until jpegxl becomes viable (which it mainly isn’t because it compete[s/d] with webp), lets stick to nice formats not owned by tech giants, like apng^?

#titlebar { display: none !important; }?

but more seriously you might be able to debug using the browser toolbox (ctrl+alt+shift+i); or you might try asking on !FirefoxCSS@fedia.io (or !Firefox@fedia.io)

I’m advocating about not to change defaults based on a propaganda term invented by Apple declaring all people who are not into inverted scrolling to be against nature.

it’s not a propaganda term you muppet, i was using natural scrolling long before i heard the term. the reason i use that term is that to me, “inverted scrolling” is non-inverted it’s normal; whereas “unnatural scrolling” feels weird and unnatural. also, again, natural scrolling is the same direction as a mousewheel; so if anything should be called “inverted scrolling” it’s the one that goes the opposite direction to the established paradigm

OK, cool. Then just copy Windows in everything. Ship Edge and Candy Crush by default, put a huge Bing search bar in the middle of the desktop, ignore usability basics like Fitt’s Law and center the main panel leading to the “start button” move all the fucking time, add nag screens whenever users go off the path of Microsoft-set defaults, and basically take away all arguments for “I’m annoyed by Windows, I want to move somewhere else.” Greatest idea ever…

ok i didn’t say kde should copy windows, i said that “natural scrolling is the most common behaviour”. but if you’re going to have a tantrum because somebody suggests a default (not even the only option, just a default) that you don’t like, i can’t be bothered to engage. try to read before you work yourself into a tizz next time

also for what it’s worth, windows is much better in regards to fitts’ law than any linux de i’ve used, including kde (edit: except possibly cinnamon)

well… no

the steam deck is not a laptop. the trackpads are used completely differently to a touchpad:

1. they’re used with two different thumbs - left for scroll, right for cursor
2. thumbs have a completely different range of motion than fingers, making circular scrolling comfortable
3. [conjecture:] the circular scrolling was influenced by ipod click wheels, which are held in the same way as a deck, but differently to a laptop

please don’t tell me you’re advocating for two trackpads on laptops, and a swirly motion for scrolling

The most common behavior is now what Steam Deck does and it defaults to neither in Desktop Mode.

Yes, Windows has the biggest market share among Windows users.

windows has the biggest market share on pcs and laptops.^[1] the comment wasn’t “kde should follow defaults from other linux distros”, it was "kde should follow the most common behaviour. windows market share outnumbers macos + linux + chromeos + bsd + opensolaris etc.; and mac also does this by default to my knowledge

The biggest driver to get Plasma in the hands of users is currently Steam Deck and that throws both conventions out of the window and defaults to actual presses to click and circular movement to scroll down in Desktop Mode.

not really. i love my steam deck, but it is a niche product. valve are understandably being cagey about how many units have been sold, but steam deck <<< switch <<< computers. most plasma adopters will be coming from windows.

this is the most common behaviour. windows has natural scrolling and tap to click / two finger tap to right click, and that’s the biggest market share

you’re not touching it when you use a scroll wheel either, and yet you drag the scroll wheel downwards

the argument for non-inverted scrolling isn’t “you’re not touching the content so it should run away from you”, it’s “you’re dragging the viewport”. you’re not touching the viewport either

personally i find the content (an actual visible thing) being draggable more intuitive than the viewport (an abstract window)

ayy nice! it’s really only panel icons that i care about

i much prefer natural scrolling; but at the moment it just inverts the scrolling direction, meaning that you have to scroll down on the icon to raise the volume or brightness. i feel that’s a thing that needs to be changed for it to be default

natural scrolling is intuitive because it’s dragging the content as though it were a physical thing - but the volume is currently dragged down to go up

that’s also a great idea, i’ll see if i can find a way to cram that into µblock. thank you for the idea

edit: for anyone who wants to do a similar thing, here is the syntax for a µblock filter:

/(lemm.ee|mlmym.org)/##body a[href="/lemm.ee/u/Crul"]::after:style(content:"awesome";color:tomato !important;border:1px solid currentColor;border-radius:var(--bs-border-radius, 0.375rem);padding-inline:0.5ch;margin-left:0.5ch;)

(also i made it look a little prettier / more native)

i’ll have a look at the mlmym github, see if there’s anything simple i can do; i’ve never used docker, but perhaps i can figure it out

(also by the way your little ^_^ doesn’t work on the default ui, it makes a superscript underscore)

holy hell that is an absolute monolith of a bookmarklet though