This bit resonated.
It makes me so terribly sad that in a society such as ours the wealthy keep creating new means to harm the less lucky.
That aside, Alan Kholer has also opined in the past that our economics policy is based on disdain.
I know many will read my financial experiences and see failure. I haven’t failed; I succeeded when the odds were totally stacked against me. I made good what life threw at me. I survived … with my values intact.
I can only agree.
You were scorning the mother for “wasting” money on having kids, but millionaires “waste” more money on their expenditure than having kids would do.
Also, having 7 kids does not mean you can’t be a millionaire, as millionaires are statistically actually more likely to have more kids than average.
Hatred of large families is largely manufactured by the media residue of hating on “Octomum” - a woman who had octuplets during the global recession of 2007-8 as a way of blaming the common folk for not having good sense (despite the fact it was a result of pure chance) and not because banks couldn’t stop themselves from doing multiple crimes every single day.
Finally, Elon Musk has 11 kids.
Again, what is your point here? I was not “scorning the mother for wasting money on having kids”; I was mocking her inability to see her life choices as directly impacting her ability to obtain wealth. She claims “money is about luck, nothing else” but acknowledges herself that her decisions have affected her financial situation:
Whether incredibly wealthy people have multiple kids has no relevance to whether having any children, let alone 7, impacts your financial situation.
Having a disability is absolutely “luck” as is potentially having kids. No birth control is 100% effective.
You can’t have a disabled child without first choosing to have a child.
Are you really pretending this woman accidentally found herself pregnant on 7 occasions? And that on each occasion, she accidentally had the child without ever making a choice to keep it instead of pursuing an abortion? And that nowhere, throughout any of these 7 births, was she ever in control of her life to the extent that she could have made choices that led her down an entirely different path?
why is having kids wasting money, but a medical procedure such as abortion not a waste of money? what value is generated from the abortion?
I feel like you’re arguing for the sake of arguing. Nothing you’re saying makes sense beyond being contrite.
no I’m arguing against the eugenics-based thought-terminating cliche that “poor people are poor because they have children” which is a nonsense.
How is it nonsense? You have a certain earning potential. If you choose to have 7 children, you both limit your earning potential due to the time investment of breeding and the need to spread your available income over more dependants. This isn’t some class warfare shit. Rich people can afford to have more children because they’re rich. We don’t start on a level playing field. There are exceptions of course but they are exactly that - exceptions.
Firstly, I have never said children are a “waste” of money, I have only said that raising them impacts one’s financial situation.
As for how the two are different: an abortion is a standalone cost. A child is an ongoing cost lasting at least 18 years, quite possibly much longer if one aspires to be a supportive parent.