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    11 months ago

    But what should they specifically do in this case to improve the situation - got any actual suggestions?

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      11 months ago

      No, I don’t have any suggestion for how should Apple circumvent laws. But if they can’t improve on it, they shouldn’t lie that they did so.

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          11 months ago

          They’re lying about many things, such as their respect for privacy, right to repair, sustainability, what else. Oh they’ve lied about use of slave labor if I recall correctly

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                11 months ago

                That’s a claim. You haven’t given any tangible evidence that it’s a lie, you just talk in handywavy generalities

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                  11 months ago

                  This article is a clear evidence. If Apple cared, they’d not send sensitive messages in clear text they can just hand over to pigs

                  Anyways, are you paid to shill for apple?

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                    11 months ago

                    No, the article is clear evidence that they are imperfect - not that they don’t generally care about user privacy. In general the work they have done on privacy has been pretty good. Apple mandating end-to-end encryption might be something that they sholuld have done - and that’s a reasonable criticism, but it looks like it is possible for individual app makers to encrypt their notifications: . There’s syill the metadata, of course.

                    If I am being paid to shill for Apple they are being particularly tardy with their payments. But to answer your question, no - I’m a user who is privacy conscious and thinks Apple does a reasonable job.

                    I am, however always interested in knowing about where they are falling down so I can mitigate. General handy wavy accusations don’t really help me practically - or indeed anyone.

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          Sorry for the delay. In this case they were lying that they have improved their process regarding handling such orders, implying that they will now only comply for fewer orders that they can’t (yet) deny.

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              A subpoena is a court order. Nothing has changed and they market that as an improvement.

              An order issued under the authority of a court, commanding a person to appear in court on a particular date, usually to give testimony in a legal case. A writ requiring someone to appear

              https://www.wordnik.com/words/subpoena

              A subpoena is a kind of court order. Specifically it is an order to a particular person to appear and testify at a particular time and place. In many but not all cases, the order also requires that person to bring specified records or documents along. That is known as a subpoena duces tecum. In some cases this is used to, order the production of documents without any accompanying testimony.

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              Ther are many other court orders, such as an injunction which is generally an order not to do something. Different jurisdictions may use different terms for orders with similar effects. The exact name and exact effect of a given order will vary with the jurisdiction, which is not stated in the question at the moment. The needed process to obtain a court order will also vary. Without a jurisdiction, a more specific answer cannot be given.

              https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/59478/what-is-the-difference-between-a-subpoena-and-a-court-order

              If anything, they have even broadened the scope of documents they now accept for information disclosure requests.

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        11 months ago

        Signal sends notifications via Apple’s push notification servers. So I’m still not quite clear what are suggesting. That apps run continuously in the background. each doing real-time polling of their respective servers for notifications? Because your battery ain’t going to last long.